SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast

SFP 44 – Episode 44: How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan, Ph.D., LMFT

Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #44

Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Bibiana Czerny & Ken Brooks | Music: www.bensound.com 

SFP 44 - Episode 44: How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

by Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Simply Focus Podcast | 35:17

“When they start watching themselves over and over on the same segment of the tape, they notice those little things that they are doing. And they said this and the client said this and they said this in response.“

 

“I think the work with microanalysis and the research that we have generated is to more quickly get people to the point where they understand it’s about dialogue, it’s about a conversation, these are the elements or ingredients.“ 

 

“Helping them identify those key moments in the session or behavioral changes in the session, I think that takes some training. It takes experience to wach things over and over and to notice, something is different there, something shifted, what happened? And then to look at what immediately preceded that, I think is very helpful in education as well as our training setting.”  
Sara Smock Jordan, Ph.D., LMFT

Show Notes

In today’s episode, we talk with Sara Smock Jordan, Ph.D., LMFT, Associate Professor, Program Director of Marriage and Family Therapy, and Graduate Coordinator at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas about

  • what fascinated her about Solution Focus initially and fascinates her today,
  • what fascinates her with microanalysis of face-to-face dialogue and how she started to work with Janet Bavelas,
  • how to capture Solution Focus in an observable way,
  • her research project about positive and negative content choices,
  • their analysis of the miracle question and her hopes for that research,
  • teaching Solution Focus and how she lets her students analyze their own work moment by moment with microanalysis of their recorded conversations,
  • what differences she noticed with her students since she uses microanalysis in her teaching,
  • the importance of giving feedback of observable behavior,
  • her learnings when teaching Solution Focus with microanalysis,
  • how educators could benefit from microanalysis of face-to-face dialogue,
  • the importance of providing and spreading the evidence for Solution Focus.
  • The Challenge of the week: Record a conversation about your preferred future and look at it in the future. (See the full details at 32:04)

 

Join the conversation

Friendpower is stronger than willpower. So, let’s inspire each other! Share your ideas and thoughts on what inspired you about our conversation with Sara and what differences this makes for you in your everyday life. Share as much detail as possible. Your story might be the one making a vital difference for someone else. Your thoughts and ideas matter and might encourage others to keep on going their SF journey. Share this podcast episode with your friends, clients or colleagues who you think might be inspired by this conversation. It could give them some practical ideas on how to apply Solution Focus in their daily life.

 

Thank you!

Thank you for listening to our podcast. You are awesome! That you listen to our podcast makes a huge difference for us. Please let us know and get in touch with us: Comment below or send us a message and tell us what difference our podcast series makes for you. And please share our podcast with others that might benefit from it and give us an honest rating at iTunes. Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each and every single one. You really support our show with that as this will make it more likely that other people will find the SIMPLY FOCUS podcast and benefit.

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Listen to more Simply Focus Podcast episodes:

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast

SFP 23 – Episode 23: What directions do you choose in your conversations? –  A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong, Professor of Social Work, Emeritus

Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #23

Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Bibiana Czerny | Music: www.bensound.com 

SFP 23 - Episode 23: What directions do you choose in your conversations? - A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

by Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Simply Focus Podcast | 35:41

“And the model in a sense was invented by putting in a one way mirror, looking at the interactions, paying attention for when clients make progress and what secondarily the practitioner might do to be useful. And in that process they paid more and more attention to what clients said because the clients who made progress where the clients who were able to develop a very clear picture of a preferred future and once they had that they had ideas about how to go about making that happen. And I think what microanalysis does, it puts you right in that dialogue.”

“I think the key point is that when you take it into the practice world the practitioner’s response is so important, it’s influential. It takes the client in a certain direction by selecting or listening to a piece to focus on and then asking the other person to build on that.”

“What part am I going to listen to? Because what part you pick out and respond to, says to the other person what you think is important in what they said.”

Dr. Peter de Jong

Show Notes

In today’s episode, we talk with Dr. Peter de Jong, Professor of Social Work Emeritus, LMSW, author and former adjunct at the Brief Family Therapy Center in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, where solution focused practices first were developed, about

  • his book “Interviewing for Solutions” he wrote with Insoo Kim Berg
  • what fascinates him about Solution Focus
  • what changed for Peter since he was introduced to microanalysis
  • the learnings and applications of microanalysis
  • what he is listening for in a conversation
  • the three-step dance of calibration or how conversations are being built between the participants
  • the relevance of microanalysis for practitioners
  • topic selection and how what we choose of the clients’ words directs the conversation
  • intentional listening and how the way we listen influences the conversation
  • how clients tend to follow where the practitioner goes and hence the importance of choosing useful focuses
  • his fondest memories with Steve de Shazer and Insoo Kim Berg in terms of listening and privileging the client’s voice
  • The challenge of the week: “Listen to someone about something that isn’t going right, or a problem or a concern. Be quiet, let the person tell the story, and listen to the story with the intention to give the person three compliments.”
  • how to formulate compliments with the focus of “What do they care about?” and hints of what they have already done

 

Resources

Inspiring conversations, an enjoyable improv theatre evening at Second City and a great learning experience at CCBC’s Brieffest Train-the-Trainer summer intensive in Toronto!

Join the conversation

Friendpower is stronger than willpower. So, let’s inspire each other! Share with Peter and us your ideas and thoughts on what inspired you, how the challenge of the week is going for you and what differences all this makes for you in your everyday life.Share as much detail as possible. Your story might be the one making a vital difference for someone else. Your thoughts and ideas matter and might encourage others to keep on going their SF journey. Share this podcast episode with your friends, clients or colleagues who you think might be inspired by this conversation. It could give them some practical ideas on how to apply Solution Focus in their daily life.

Thank you!

Thank you for listening to our podcast. You are awesome! That you listen to our podcast makes a huge difference for us. Please let us know and get in touch with us: Comment below or send us a message and tell us what difference our podcast series makes for you. And please share our podcast with others that might benefit from it and give us an honest rating at iTunes. Your ratings and reviews really help and we read each and every single one. You really support our show with that as this will make it more likely that other people will find the SIMPLY FOCUS podcast and benefit.

Listen to more Simply Focus Podcast episodes:

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast

SFP 18 – Episode 18: Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #18

Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Laura Cole & Bibiana Czerny | Music: www.bensound.com 

SFP 18 - Episode 18: Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

by Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Simply Focus Podcast | 38:50

“Right away from the first moment the person will know that this is gonna be a different kind of conversation.” Laura

“My best hope is for them to be able to actually learn this (…) as a different way of having a better dialogue at work and at home. So that’s what really excites me.” Haesun Moon

“In all education our end goal is that learners become teachers themselves.” Bo Yon Koh

“What ever I thought I had done, when I looked at it (the video of her coaching sessions) (…) each day I look at them I see something else. So it’s almost like this could be like a never ending project in a way, right. It was quite interesting to see it. It was beautiful, wonderful.” Dorotha

Show Notes

In today’s episode, we are live at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun moon, exploring

  • their best hopes for the Brieffest
  • what was most useful in the first 3 1/2 days of learning Solution Focus for the participants
  • the model that Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon use in their trainings to orient the clients towards the preferred future and what’s already working
  • what Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon did that supported the participants’ learning 
  • The challenge of the week: Notice your progress and tell us how you do it and how you use it back into your practice.

Resources

Join the conversation

Share with us how you notice progress and how noticing your progress flows back into your practice! Friendpower is stronger than willpower. So, let’s inspire each other! Share your ideas and thoughts on what inspired you and what differences this makes for you in your everyday life. Share as much detail as possible. Your story might be the one making a vital difference for someone else. Your thoughts and ideas matter and might encourage others to keep on going their SF journey. Share this podcast episode with your friends, clients or colleagues who you think might be inspired by this conversation. It could give them some practical ideas on how to apply Solution Focus in their daily life.

Thank you!

Thank you for listening to our podcast. You are awesome! That you listen to our podcast makes a huge difference for us. Please let us know and get in touch with us: Comment below or send us a message and tell us what difference our podcast series makes for you.

Listen to more Simply Focus Podcast episodes:

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast

SFP 11 – Episode 11: Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon, Co-Director of the Canadian Centre for Brief Coaching

Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #11

Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Bibiana Czerny  | Music: www.bensound.com 

SFP 11 - Episode 11: Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

by Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Simply Focus Podcast | 42:42

“Teach in a way that people are becoming observers of their own work.”

„She looked at us and she said, ‘you know I am leaving today, (…) I just wanted to let you know that because of the conversations you had with me, I am dying with hope.’ (…) And I hear so many stories from this palliative team that is just doing amazing work, working with people who are at the last stages, using Solution Focused coaching or Solution Focused dialogue. (…) And now that algorithm is being implemented in all the hospitals, so that’s being used as a reference or guide.”

„The algorithm is kind of providing the direction of a conversation: So that your focus is finding out what they care about, what they want and what is important.“

Haesun Moon

Show Notes

In today’s episode, we talk with Haesun Moon, Co-Director of the Canadian Centre for Brief Coaching, about

  • what fascinates Haesun about Solution Focus
  • what fascinates her about microanalysis of face-to-face dialogue (To learn more about microanalysis check out episode number 10)
  • what differences microanalysis makes for her as a teacher and as a person
  • how microanalysis enhances «real life» learning – from day one on of the Solution Focused Coaching training
  • how dialogue cannot be divided and is the smallest unit to study
  • the importance of microanalysis for everyone in dialogic practice
  • the heart touching story of how «Language of Hope» came about
  • how this changed Haesun’s life
  • how she wants to see that dialogues change at home, at school and at work place
  • Haesun’s thesis and the way she studies «hope» in dialogue
  • how there is always another way of looking at things and how your choice of looking at dialogue is worthwile to observe
  • The Challenge of the week – Complaining exercise: You are pairing up, one person is complaining, the other person is listening for 5 solid minutes, then the listener gives the complaining person a feedback on what the person is caring about. Listen with the filter: what does that person really care about?
  • the BRIEFFEST

Resources

Joyful greetings from Tofino, BC!

Join the conversation

Let’s make a difference for others, share your insights, and ask great questions! And be in contact with Haesun. Ask questions and let Haesun and us know what inspired you. Friendpower is stronger than willpower. So, let’s inspire each other! Share your ideas and thoughts on what inspired you and what differences this makes for you in your everyday life. Share as much detail as possible. Your story might be the one making a vital difference for someone else. Your thoughts and ideas matter and might encourage others to keep on going their SF journey. Share this podcast episode with your friends, clients or colleagues who you think might be inspired by this conversation. It could give them some practical ideas on how to apply Solution Focus in their daily life.

Thank you!

Thank you for listening to our podcast. You are awesome! That you listen to our podcast makes a huge difference for us. Please let us know and get in touch with us: Comment below or send us a message and tell us what difference our podcast series makes for you.

Listen to more Simply Focus Podcast episodes:

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast

SFP 10 – Episode 10: Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas, Ph.D., F.R.S.C., Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Victoria

Simply Focus Podcast – Episode #10

Hosted by: Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Intro: Bibiana Czerny | Music: www.bensound.com 

SFP 10 - Episode 10: Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

by Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat | Simply Focus Podcast | 41:48

“So, it’s really a matter of choosing a focus. (…) And once you do that, it’s right there. And people can see it pretty quickly, so it’s really a matter of getting the other stuff out of the way.”

“There are two things that you have to do: One is to see interaction and not go into people’s heads. But the other is the timescale (…) you see how precise and fast it is (…) what goes on is regularly less than simple reaction time. (…) It really is being able to see it in slow motion.”  

Janet Beavin Bavelas

Show Notes

In today’s episode, we talk with Janet Beavin Bavelas, Ph.D., F.R.S.C., Professor Emeritus of Psychology at the University of Victoria, about

  • what fascinates Janet about Solution Focus
  • what fascinates Janet about microanalysis (moment-by-moment analysis) of face-to-face dialogues
  • how she stayed curious to unfold and demystify all these things around communication
  • what helped Janet to focus on the interaction even in times when people mainly focused on inner concepts and to start her career as a scientist on that
  • what she and her team see and see differently than others when they look at face-to-face dialogues moment-by-moment in microanalysis
  • what calibration is, what is happening there and how that could be important for everyday conversations and for Solution Focus
  • what changed for Janet since they wrote “Pragmatics of Human Communication” more than 50 years ago
  • hand gestures, facial gestures and gaze and common misunderstandings around these co-speech gestures
  • what the overall goal of her research was and is
  • The challenge of the week: Look at one and the same conversation (e.g. this one) in two ways: First, look at only one person and start thinking hard about what’s going on in the person’s mind, look at what the person is feeling, why she/he is doing what she/he does, what the person is thinking, focus completely on the individual. Go and get a coffee and afterwards look at the same conversation again. Look only at what’s happening between the people. What you are looking for has to be what somebody does observably – physically or vocally – that the other person would notice and that was aimed at the other person, that would effect the other person.

Resources

  • Visit Janet Beavin Bavelas’ website to learn more about studying face-to-face dialogue and about Janet and her teams precious work.
  • Pragmatics of Human Communication: A Study of Interactional Patterns, Pathologies and Paradoxes. by Paul Watzlawick, Janet Beavin Bavelas, Don D. Jackson (1967)
  • John Weakland – mentor of Janet Bavelas, Steve de Shazer and Insoo Kim Berg – was one of the founders of brief and family psychotherapy. He was a Senior Research Fellow at the Mental Research Institute (MRI) in Palo Alto, founding member and Co-Director of MRI’s Brief Therapy Center (along with Paul Watzlawick and Dick Fisch), and a Clinical Associate Professor Emeritus in the Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences at the Stanford University School of Medicine.
  • ‘It’s not really probably your first memory. It’s the one you devoted some effort to remember.’ Janet quoting Arthur Rank
  • Don D. Jackson (1958): Guilt and the control of pleasure in schizoid personalities.
  • ELAN is a professional tool for the creation of complex annotations on video and audio resources.
  • Herbert H. Clark, Stanford; Theory of common ground.
  • Here you can find more about the current work on calibration by Janet Bavelas, Jennifer Gerwing & Sara Healing.

Inspiring face-to-face encounters with Janet and her lovely Newfoundland dog on Vancouver Island, BC!

Join the conversation

Let’s make a difference for others, share your insights, and ask great questions! Let us know what inspired you and how the challenge went for you. Friendpower is stronger than willpower. So, let’s inspire each other! Share your ideas and thoughts on what inspired you and what differences this makes for you in your everyday life. Share as much detail as possible. Your story might be the one making a vital difference for someone else. Your thoughts and ideas matter and might encourage others to keep on going their SF journey. Share this podcast episode with your friends, clients or colleagues who you think might be inspired by this conversation. It could give them some practical ideas on how to apply Solution Focus in their daily life.

Thank you!

Thank you for listening to our podcast. You are awesome! That you listen to our podcast makes a huge difference for us. Please let us know and get in touch with us: Comment below or send us a message and tell us what difference our podcast series makes for you.

Listen to more Simply Focus Podcast episodes:

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 51 – Putting differences to work: The Solution Focused Counseling Program at TCU with Becky Taylor, Frank Thomas, Marcella Stark and three of their PH.D. students

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 50 – Being out there with Solution Focus: A hopeful perspective for the medical sector and sexual minorities with Benjamin Finlayson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 49 – Living on the streets: A conversation about connection, humanity and the importance of community with Stacy Nelson

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 48 – 19 Voices: Learnings and Inspirations from the SFU Conference in Taos

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 47 – Solution Focused Recipes: From Trauma to Everyday Life with Yvonne Dolan

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 46 – Solution Focus for every-body with Mark Mitchell

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 45 – How to decide: A Solution Focused approach to making better decisions with Ellen Quick

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 44 – How to learn to have effective conversations with Sara Smock Jordan

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 43 – Beyond Goals, Beyond Habits: 5 Questions for your Reflections

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 42 – Diabetes Prevention: Kat & Gary Barclay working online with Solution Focus

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 41 – Solution Focus is an Evidence-Based Intervention: The Impact of Research for Solution Focus with Johnny S. Kim

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 40 – Systems Thinking: Dr. Thorana Nelson about Solution Focused Brief Therapy with Families

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 39 – Creating Ripples: 7 questions every leader should ask with Simon Lee

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 38 – Exceptional Sessions: Animal-Assisted Solution Focused Brief Therapy & More with Teri Pichot

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 37 – Training Solution Focus: Training Trainers with Brenda Zalter-Minden and Heather Fiske

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 36 – Deliberate Practice: Reflecting Solution Focused Development with Scott D. Miller

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 35 – Observing Solution Focus: A conversation with Gale Miller about his time at BFTC

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 34 – Back to the roots: A conversation about the beginning of Solution Focus with Eve Lipchik

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 33 – Surfing the waves: Sinking into the joy with Angela Knox

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 32 – Small steps count: A conversation about SF parenting, SF in Japan and more with Keiko Yoneyama

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 31 – Fascination Solution Focus

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 30 – SF Leadership: Everyday interactions that make a difference with Dominik Godat

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 29 – Words arise out of Silence: A Poetic Conversation with Dvorah Simon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 28 – In the Land of Possibilities with Bill O’Hanlon

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 27 – Hope in Action: A Conversation with Heather Fiske about Solution Focused Suicide Prevention

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 26 – Celebrating Half a Year SIMPLY FOCUS Podcast with That Reminds Me Of The Following Story by Hannes Couvreur

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 25 – Seeing Opportunities – Pull the Golden Ribbon: Interview with Brigitte Lavoie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 24 – Being in Love with Love: Interview with Elliott Connie

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 23 – What directions do you choose in your conversations? – A face-to-face dialogue with Dr. Peter de Jong

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 22 – Energized: Interview with Bob Faw about energizing ourselves and others

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 21 – Living in Sunday Right Away: Interview with Laura Cole about her first three weeks with SF

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 20 – Frog or Forever Recognize Other’s Greatness: Interview with Brenda Zalter-Minden

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 19 – At the Round Table with Alan Kay: Solution Focused Applications

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 18 – Learning together: Teaching Solution Focus at Brieffest with Bo Yon Koh and Haesun Moon

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 17 – In Tune with Solution Focus: Interview with Dr. Bo Yon Koh

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 16 – Celebrating one year on the road with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat & Bibiana

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 15 – Inspiring others again: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 14 – Inspiring others: A reflection with Elfie Czerny & Dominik Godat

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 13 – Solution Focus at Work: Interview with Victor Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 12 – Interactional Relationships: Interview with Dr. Thorana Nelson

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 11 – Language of Hope: Interview with Haesun Moon

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 10 – Seeing Interaction: Interview with Janet Beavin Bavelas

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 9 – Persistent in being curios: Interview with Dr. Stephen Langer about Solution Focused Brief Therapy

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 8 – Let’s play…: Interview with Pamela K. King

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 7 – Effective Leadership with Solution Focus: Interview with Monica Rotner

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 6 – Solution Focused Listening

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 5 – The GREAT relationship: Interview with Jonathan D. Sherman

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 4 – The art of asking great Solution Focused questions

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 3 – Solution Focus makes a difference

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 2 – Amplifying useful change in an ever changing world

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

SFP 1 – The Simply Focus Podcast

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